What causes muslim terrorism?

A couple more entries from strangecosmos.com

The old saying....give them an inch and they'll take a mile applies here. I also believe that we in Australia could easily apply the following to fit the Aussie mould. I get chills when I think of Mr KRudd wanting a seat on the UN.

EUROPE - THY NAME IS COWARDICE.

For those who are concerned about how Bush has alienated the European allies of the US, as well as the UN membership, they should read the following editorial in the Welt, a German daily:



EUROPE - THY NAME IS COWARDICE

Matthias DÃpfner, Chief Executive of German publisher Axel Springer AG, has written a blistering attack in the daily WELT against the cowardice of Europe in the face of the Islamic threat. Hartmut Lau translated the article.
(Commentary by Mathias DÃpfner)

A few days ago Henryk M. Broder wrote in Welt am Sonntag, "Europe - your family name is appeasement." It's a phrase you can't get out of your head because it's so terribly true. Appeasement cost millions of Jews and non-Jews their lives as England and France, allies at the time, negotiated and hesitated too long before they noticed that Hitler had to be fought, not bound to agreements. Appeasement stabilized communism in the Soviet Union and East Germany in that part of Europe where inhuman, suppressive governments were glorified as the ideologically correct alternative to all other possibilities. Appeasement crippled Europe when genocide ran rampant in Kosovo and we Europeans debated and debated until the Americans came in and did our work for us.

Rather than protecting democracy in the Middle East, European appeasement, camouflaged behind the fuzzy word "equidistance," now countenances suicide bombings in Israel by fundamentalist Palestinians. Appeasement generates a mentality that allows Europe to ignore 300,000 victims of Saddam's torture and murder machinery and, motivated by the self-righteousness of the peace-movement, to issue bad grades to George Bush A particularly grotesque form of appeasement is reacting to the escalating violence by Islamic fundamentalists in Holland and elsewhere by suggesting that we should really have a Muslim holiday in Germany.

What else has to happen before the European public and its political leadership get it? There is a sort of crusade underway, an especially perfidious crusade consisting of systematic attacks by fanatic Muslims, focused on civilians and directed against our free, open Western societies.

It is a conflict that will most likely last longer than the great military conflicts of the last century-a conflict conducted by an enemy that cannot be tamed by tolerance and accommodation but only spurred on by such gestures, which will be mistaken for signs of weakness.

Two recent American presidents had the courage needed for anti-appeasement: Reagan and Bush. Reagan ended the Cold War and Bush, supported only by the social democrat Blair acting on moral conviction, recognized the danger in the Islamic fight against democracy His place in history will have to be evaluated after a number of years have passed.

In the meantime, Europe sits back with charismatic self-confidence in the multicultural corner instead of defending liberal society's values and being an attractive center of power on the same playing field as the true great powers, America and China. On the contrary-we Europeans present ourselves, in contrast to the intolerant, as world champions in tolerance, which even (Germany's Interior Minister) Otto Schily justifiably criticizes. Why? Because we're so moral? I fear it's more because we're so materialistic.

For his policies, Bush risks the fall of the dollar, huge amounts of additional national debt and a massive and persistent burden on the American economy-because everything is at stake. While the alleged capitalistic robber barons in America know their priorities, we timidly defend our social welfare systems. Stay out of it! It could get expensive. We'd rather discuss the 35-hour workweek or our dental health plan coverage. Or listen to Bleeding Hearts preach about "reaching out to murderers."

These days, Europe reminds me of an elderly aunt who hides her last pieces of jewelry with shaking hands when she notices a robber has broken into a neighbor's house.

Europe, thy name is cowardice.

Submitted by our Ohio Pal KH

Now this one got me really thinking....so just what is the terrorist's gripe?

What Causes Muslim Terrorists? -

Everyone seems to be wondering why Muslim terrorists arise.

No beer.

No booze.

No bars.

No television.

No cheerleaders.

No NASCAR.

No NHRA.

No baseball.

No football.

No basketball.

No hockey.

No golf.

No tailgate parties.

No Hooters.

No pork BBQ.

No hot dogs.

No burgers.

No outboard motors

No lobster, shellfish, or even Mrs. Paul's frozen fish sticks.

Rags for clothes and towels for hats.

Constant wailing from the guy next door because he's sick and there are no doctors.

Constant wailing from the guy in the tower.

No chocolate chip cookies.

No Victoria's Secret catalogs.

No super bowl parties

No Christmas.

You can't shave.

Your wife can't shave.

You can't shower to wash off the smell of donkey cooked over burning camel dung.

The women have to wear baggy dresses and veils at all times.

Your bride is picked by someone else. She smells just like your donkey, but your donkey has a better disposition.

Then they tell you that when you die it all gets better!

No mystery here !

Submitted by Chuckie

United States vs. Reid.

This has just got to be the best Statement from a Judge I have read in a long time. Even though it was in 2003, this is the first time I have ever read it.

Thanks to Strangecomos.com

- MUST READ - Judge Sentences Shoe Bomber


Ruling by Judge William Young

US District Court Judge William Young made the following statement in sentencing "shoe bomber" Richard Reid to prison.

It is noteworthy, and deserves to be remembered far longer than he predicts. I commend it to you and to anyone you might wish to forward it to.

January 30, 2003
United States vs. Reid.

Judge Young: Mr. Richard C. Reid, hearken now to the sentence the Court imposes upon you.

On counts 1, 5 and 6 the Court sentences you to life in prison in the custody of the United States Attorney General.

On counts 2, 3, 4 and 7, the Court sentences you to 20 years in prison on each count, the sentence on each count to run consecutive with the other. That's 80 years.

On count 8 the Court sentences you to the mandatory 30 years consecutive to the 80 years just imposed. The Court imposes upon you each of the eight counts a fine of $250,000 for the aggregate fine of $2 million.

The Court accepts the government's recommendation with respect to restitution and orders restitution in the amount of $298.17 to Andre Bousquet and $5,784 to American Airlines.

The Court imposes upon you the $800 special assessment.

The Court imposes upon you five years supervised release simply because the law requires it. But the life sentences are real life sentences so I need go no further.

This is the sentence that is provided for by our statues. It is a fair and just sentence. It is a righteous sentence. Let me explain this to you.

We are not afraid of any of your terrorist co-conspirators, Mr. Reid. We are Americans. We have been through the fire before. There is all too much war talk here. And I say that to everyone with the utmost respect.

Here in this court, where we deal with individuals as individuals, and care for individuals as individuals, as human beings we reach out for justice, you are not an enemy combatant. You are a terrorist. You are not a soldier in any war. You are a terrorist. To give you that reference, to call you a soldier gives you far too much stature. Whether it is the officers of government who do it or your attorney who does it, or that happens to be your view, you are a terrorist.

And we do not negotiate with terrorists. We do not treat with terrorists. We do not sign documents with terrorists. We hunt them down one by one and bring them to justice.

So war talk is way out of line in this court. You are a big fellow. But you are not that big. You're no warrior. I know warriors. You are a terrorist. A species of criminals guilty of multiple attempted murders.

In a very real sense Trooper Santigo had it right when you first were taken off that plane and into custody and you wondered where the press and where the TV crews were and he said. "You're no big deal." You are no big deal.

What your counsel, what your able counsel and what the equally able United States attorneys have grappled with and what I have as honestly as I know how tried to grapple with, is why you did something so horrific. What was it that led you here to this courtroom today? I have listened respectfully to what you have to say. And I ask you to search your heart and ask yourself what sort of unfathomable hate led you to do what you are guilty and admit you are guilty of doing. And I have an answer for you. It may not satisfy you. But as I search this entire record it comes as close to understanding as I know.

It seems to me you hate the one thing that is most precious. You hate our freedom. Our individual freedom. Our individual freedom to live as we choose, to come and go as we choose, to believe or not believe as we individually choose.

Here, in this society, the very winds carry freedom. They carry it everywhere from sea to shining sea. It is because we prize individual freedom so much that you are here in this beautiful courtroom. So that everyone can see, truly see that justice is administered fairly, individually, and discretely.

It is for freedom's sake that your lawyers are striving so vigorously on your behalf and have filed appeals, will go on in their, their representation of you before other judges. We are about it. Because we all know that the way we treat you, Mr. Reid, is the measure of our own liberties. Make no mistake though. It is yet true that we will bear any burden, pay any price, to preserve our freedoms.

Look around this courtroom. Mark it well. The world is not going to long remember what you or I say here. Day after tomorrow it will be forgotten. But this, however, will long endure. Here in this courtroom and courtrooms all across America, the American people will gather to see that justice, individual justice, justice, not war, individual justice is in fact being done.

The very President of the United States through his officers will have to come into courtrooms and lay out evidence on which specific matters can be judged, and juries of citizens will gather to sit and judge that evidence democratically, to mold and shape and refine our sense of justice.

See that flag, Mr. Reid? That's the flag of the United States of America. That flag will fly there long after this is all forgotten. That flag stands for freedom. You know it always will.

Mr. Custody Officer, stand him down.

How much of this Judge's comments did you hear on our TV sets?
Please pass this around.
Everyone needs to hear what the judge had to say.

http://strangecosmos.com/content/item/24320.html

The Least You Need To Know About Islam

Thanks to ... CitizenWarrior com...

The Least You Need To Know About Islam
Posted: 26 Oct 2008 12:55 PM CDT

IF YOU HAD the opportunity to educate every kafir (non-Muslim) on earth about Islam but with one restriction — you could only tell them three facts — which three would you choose?

Non-Muslims don't need to know everything. Do they need to know Mohammad married a six year-old? Will that help them? Does it really matter to a non-Muslim who has no desire to become a follower? Probably not. But it is very important for a non-Muslim to know about the principle of taqiyya.

Another good choice would be to tell the kafirs what a Muslim means when he says, "Islam is a religion of peace."

There are many possible good choices, but the point is, for national policies about Islam to be changed, the politicians involved will need the support of a large number of their voters. And for that to happen, a lot more kafirs need to know some basic information about Islam.

But as you know, it's a big subject. There's a lot to learn, and most people have other interests and are not going to devote much time to it. So the question I think we should be asking ourselves is: "What is the least a kafir needs to know?"

What three ideas or facts would you choose if you could only choose three?

If you had your points down to three and you were clear what they were, it would be easier to work those points into conversations. And you could become very good at delivering those three points. You would be more effective in those conversations — more persuasive, more convincing, less likely to provoke a negative reaction.

Not only that, but if you give enough information to get someone interested, their own desire to learn will spur them on. You don't have to tell them everything. In fact, if you try, they will probably resist the information. You just need to say enough to arouse their interest, and say it well enough to be convincing.

This is important. Where the rubber meets the road in this work is our one-on-one conversations with people who don't yet understand the danger we're in. In those conversations, we can gain new allies, or we can push people further away from the cause, depending on how well we do it. Having three clear points we want to deliver — points we have decided ahead of time and have given some thought to — will improve how well we do it.
If I could only choose three points to make, I'd make these:
1. Islam has not been hijacked. That Islam has been hijacked is what non-Muslims naturally assume because they assume all religions are the same. So they further assume that some crazies must have hijacked the religion because surely no religion would actually encourage the killing of innocents. We want to believe the religion has been hijacked. Once people realize it isn't true, we can start talking about real solutions.

2. Muslims are allowed to deceive non-Muslims if it helps Islam. The principle of taqiyya is surprising to non-Muslims. Knowing about the principle helps immunize non-Muslims from the deception. They can at least not take everything a Muslim leader says at face value. You can see (and share) some excellent examples of taqiyya in the movie, Obsession.

3. Striving to institute worldwide Shari'a law is a religious duty. Many people don't realize how politically-oriented Islam is at its core. Shari'a is the law of Allah. Any other form of government is a sin. It is their duty as a Muslim to keep striving until all governments have been converted to Shari'a law. I think when kafirs understand this, they will immediately grasp the basic principle that all governments must immediately stop all concessions to Islam.
Those are the three I would choose. Which three would you choose?

Reprinted with Permission…
http://www.citizenwarrior.com/2007/11/what-religion-of-peace-really-means.html

Christian Nanna: Proselytizing Islam at Penn

Christian Nanna: Proselytizing Islam at Penn

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Terror Free Oil
Posted: 24 Oct 2008 05:07 PM CDT

WE ARE essentially funding our enemies. We buy oil from Saudi Arabia, for example, and they use that money to build mosques in our countries — mosques which promote the following ideas to their Muslim attendees: keep yourselves separate from non-Muslims and do not assimilate into the culture; gain political power; agitate for concessions; and work toward the long-range goal of replacing the democratic government with a government ruled by Shari'a law.

We are funding this. If we didn't buy their oil, we'd put a huge damper on their activities. And they wouldn't have so much money to afford building madrassas all over the world teaching hatred for the West.

The Terror-Free Oil Initiative came up with a solution: They research where gas stations get their oil so we can choose to buy our gas from stations that do not send our money to Jihadis bent on our destruction. They've even opened their own gas station. Here's a five-minute clip from MSNBC about the new gas station (click here to watch the video):
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This is one of the most positive, practical actions I have yet to see. Please look up your local gas stations, find out where you can buy terror-free gas, and tell all your friends. Sooner is better than later.

I looked up every one of the gas suppliers on the list and none of them sell gas in my area. So I wrote to The Terror-Free Oil Initiative, and Alex Porter wrote back to me, giving me a link to a list of oil companies showing the percentage of their oil they get from the Persian Gulf.

In my area there are mostly Shell and Chevron stations. I've used Chevron for many years, but looking at this list, I discovered they are one of the highest in the percentage of their oil they get from the Middle East, so I switched to Shell, which has one of the lowest percentages.

Another thing you can do to help cut off money to Jihadis is drive slower. During the oil crisis in the 1970's, the speed limit was dropped to 55. A lot of people complained about it, but it did save a lot of gas. And it still does. So even while you're driving, you reduce our reliance on oil if you drive 55.

It feels good to be doing something. Each mile you drive 55, you are taking money out of the pockets of people trying to destroy us. And you can educate yourself while you're at it by listening to good audiobooks. And if you keep your car tuned, it will use less gas too. Of course, you can also ride your bike and walk when you have the opportunity.

You can also urge your representatives to support the "open fuel standard," which means mandating car manufacturers to make cars that can run on many different fuels — cars that can run on ethanol and methanol and gasoline, for example — rather than only gasoline. Check out NozzleRage.com to find out how. They make it easy to write to your representatives.

You can do something very simple right now: Forward this article to ten people. The more people who use terror-free gas, the more financial incentive gas companies will have to make it more available.

To thwart Islam's relentless encroachment, we have many practical actions we can take. The way we use gasoline is one of the most important.

Proselytizing Islam at Penn

Ecumenical consultation demarcates common ground for dialogue with Islam
25 Oct 2008 - Source: World Council of Churches
(From the ACC Newsletter.)
NOTE:..passages with ALL CAPS are mine.
Christian communities should improve their knowledge of Islam, be good neighbours to Muslims and bear witness to their faith in an appropriate manner, according to an international group of church leaders and experts on Christian-Muslim dialogue.
“WHEN MUSLIMS WANT TO BE GOOD NEIGHBOURS TO EVERYBODY REGARDLESS OF DENOMINATION THEN I MIGHT HALFWAY BELIEVE THAT THEY ARE NEAR TO BEING GENUINE.”

These were some of the recommendations put forward at an 18 to 20 October consultation aimed at developing an ecumenical Christian theological understanding of dialogue with Islam. Convened by the World Council of Churches (WCC), it gathered some fifty church leaders and experts on Christian-Muslim dialogue in Chavannes-de-Bogis, outside Geneva, Switzerland.

Participants acknowledged a history of "mixed" relationships between Christians and Muslims, with both positive and negative dimensions. On their part, Christians have seen Muslims as both friend and rival, neighbour and stranger.
I WILL NEVER SEE THEM AS ‘FRIEND OR NEIGHBOUR, BUT RATHER ALWAYS AS STRANGER’.

However, participants agreed, Christianity teaches to love the neighbour regardless of race, gender or religion. Even more, Christian self-understanding is challenged and deepened through relationships with Muslims, while Christians themselves are renewed by entering into dialogue with them.
AS A CHRISTIAN, I WILL TREAT OTHERS AS HUMANS PROVIDING THEY TREAT OTHERS IN THE SAME MANNER. AS FOR DIALOGUE WITH MUSLIMS, not ANYTHING THEY SAY CAN BE TAKEN AS TRUTH BECAUSE THE KORAN TELLS THEM THEY ARE NOT PERMITTED TO HAVE INFIDELS AS FRIENDS, ONLY TO PRETEND UNTIL THE TIME COMES TO STRIKE IF THEY HAVE FAILED AT CONVERTING THEM.

For this dialogue to be fruitful, it needs to be sensitive, including a careful use of traditional Christian language like mission, witness and conversion. And both church leaders and communities need to be educated in the knowledge of Islam as Muslims live and present it.
WHY DOES THE ‘WCC’ WANT TO … “MISSION, WITNESS AND CONVERT” THE MUSLIM? ARENT THEY SUPPOSED TO BE TEACHING EVERYONE HOW TO LIVE TOGETHER PEACEFULLY? IF THE WCC WANT THE MUSLIM TO CONVERT TO CHRISTIANITY, THEN WHY DON’T THEY THEMSELVES CONVERT TO BEING A MUSLIM IN THE LANDS OF ISLAM?
TO EACH THEIR OWN AND LIVE SIDE BY SIDE IN PEACEFUL SURROUNDINGS AND CONDITIONS….IS WHAT SHOULD BE IN DISCUSSION AND ALL EFFORTS TO GET EVERYONE TO THIS POINT.
While attitudes among Christians towards Islam are diverse and rich, different contexts and experiences of living together with Muslims inspire different theological approaches.
THE ONLY APPROACH SHOULD BE NOT EXPECTING ANYONE FROM THE KORAN TO LIVE IN THE LANDS OF WESTERN SOCIETIES.

The consultation identified a number of issues to be addressed in further dialogue with Muslims, among others: human rights, conversion, concepts of secularism, pluralism, and citizenship, as well as the use of religious symbols for political ideologies and religiously motivated violence.

FURTHER DIALOGUE? …I THINK THIS IS JUST BEATING A DEAD HORSE SO TO SPEAK. TOTALLY FUTILE AS A DEAD HORSE CANNOT AND WILL NOT GO ANYWHERE.
COLLABORATION IS ANOTHER WORD FOR AN ALLIANCE, AND WE ALL KNOW THAT PEOPLE IN ALLIANCE WITH EACH OTHER WILL LAST AS ONLY AS LONG AS THEY CAN BE USEFUL TO EACH OTHER FOR THE SAKE OF SURVIVAL, THEN ONE WILL TURN ON THE OTHER AND WILL SUBJUGATE THE WEAKER PARTY.
AS ON “STAR TREK VOYAGER”,…THE CREW OF CAPTAIN JANEWAY ENTERED INTO AN ALLIANCE WITH THE BORG. THE BORG NEEDED NEW TECHNOLOGY AND VOYAGER CREW NEEDED TO GET THROUGH BORG SPACE WHILE THEY WERE BOTH IN CONFLICT WITH A MORE ADVANCED ALIEN LIFE-FORM. AS SOON AS THE BORG THOUGHT THEY HAD THE TECHNOLOGY SAFELY IN THEIR HANDS THEY THEN TURNED ON THE VOYAGER CREW AND TOLD THEM THEY WERE TO BE ASSIMILATED AND UNDER THE CONTROL OF THE BORG. HOWEVER, VOYAGER CREW HAD TO PUT CERTAIN PLANS INTO ACTION AND ENDED UP BLOWING THE BORG OUT OF THE CARGO HOLD. ONE BORG SURVIVED THIS AND WAS STUNNED BY A LASER GUN. SHE WAS HALF-BORG AS SHE WAS TAKEN AS A CHILD AND ASSIMILATED INTO THE BORG. IT DOES ENSUE THAT ‘THE DOCTOR’ DOES HIS THING AND GRADUALLY RESTORES HER TO A MORE HUMAN PERSONALITY; THIS IS 7-OF-9. SHE EVENTUALLY BECOMES A MUCH VALUED MEMBER OF THE CREW, AND EVENTUALLY IS RESTORED TO FULL HUMAN.
EVERY TIME THE VOYAGER HAS AN ENCOUNTER WITH THE BORG, THEY COME UP AGAINST DECEIT, TRICKS AND LIES. VOYAGER CREW MUST FIGHT FOR THEIR VERY LIVES AND SURVIVAL.
THIS IS WHAT WE ‘HUMANS’ MUST DO AGAINST THE ISLAMISTS. FIGHT FOR OUR SURVIVAL BY ANY MEANS UNTIL WE DRIVE THEM FROM OUR… ‘SPACE’…OUR LAND, OUR SOCIETIES, And OUR FUTURE.
Participants also recommending further Christian-Muslim collaboration on issues such as social and economic justice, climate change, peace and healing of memories.

AS FAR AS FURTHER COLLABORATION ON ISSUES SUCH AS ABOVE ARE CONCERNED… OUR SOCIAL JUSTICE IS TOO FAR REMOVED FROM THE MUSLIMS VIEW OF SOCIAL JUSTCICE. THE ECONOMIC JUSTICE IS THE CONCERN OF EACH INDIVIDUAL AND THE NEED TO LEARN TO LIVE WITH-IN THEIR MEANS, UNFORTUNETELY GREED WILL BE IN MANY PEOPLE AS LONG AS MONEY AND POWER IS IN PLAY. BUT THAT IS OUR WAY, WE HAVE TRIED COMMUNIST, SOCIALIST WAYS, AND THEY DO NOT WORK AS HISTORY HAS PROVEN. DEMOCRACY, AND TRUE DEMOCRACY IS THE ONLY WAY FORWARD FOR THE HUMAN RACE. LET THE ISLAMISTS LIVE UNDER COMMUNISM OR SOCIALISM, CALL IT WHAT YOU WILL, WE ONLY NEED TO LOOK AS REGIMES THAT CONTROL THE PEOPLE BY THIS METHOD, THERE IS NO PEACE NOR IS THERE HAPPINESS OR FREEDOM.
THEN WE HAVE PEACE AND HEALING OF MEMORIES… THERE CAN BE NO HEALING OF MEMORIES UNTIL PEACE, AND EQUALLY SO, THERE CAN BE NO PEACE UNTIL HEALING OF MEMORIES, THUS THE CONUMDRUM OF THE CHICKEN OR THE EGG IS IN PLAY.

Organised by the WCC together with a number of Christian World Communions, the World Evangelical Alliance (WEA) and the Roman Catholic Church, the consultation is a continuation of an ecumenical process launched by the WCC in response to "A Common Word," a letter signed by 138 Muslim scholars and addressed to Christian leaders around the world in October 2007.

THE ‘RC’ AND THE ‘WEA’ CONSULTATION PROCESS IN RESPONSE TO ‘A COMMON WORD’ LETTER, IS JUST A LOAD OF CRAP. THE MUSLIM CANNOT AND NEVER WILL CHANGE THEIR VIEWPOINT OR ANY IDEOLOGIES, AND REALLY, WHY SHOULD THEY. IT IS JUST THE SAME AS THEM EXPECTING US TO CHANGE OUR VIEWPOINT…IT JUST IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN, AT LEAST NOT WITHOUT ONE SIDE CAPITULATING TO THE OTHER.
Rather than producing a written response to the letter by the Muslim scholars, the goal of the consultation was to provide a space for churches and communions of churches to share their initiatives and theological resources for engaging with Muslims, and to identify substantial issues for Christian theology in relation to Christian-Muslim dialogue.

THERE CAN BE NO WRITTEN RESPONSE THAT WILL AGREE WITH THE POLITICAL IDEOLY OF ISLAM. ANY INITIATIVE IS TOTALLY FUTILE.
WHAT SORT OF INITIATIVES AND THEOLOGICAL RESOURCES FOR ENGAGING WITH MUSLIMS TO IDENTIFY SUBSTANTIAL ISSUES FOR CHRISTIAN THEIOLOGY IN RELATION TO CHRISTIAN-MUSLIM DIALOGUE WOULD THEY REALLY WANT?

Participants agreed on the need for further ecumenical exploration of theological issues pertaining to Muslim-Christian dialogue and invited the organisers to facilitate the process. A report on the consultation, including the presentations delivered and an account of the findings will be published by the end of the year.
HOW MUCH MONEY IS THIS COSTING? WHO IS PAYING FOR THIS? IS THIS MONEY BEING TAKEN FROM THE TITHES OF CHURCH GOERS? ARE THE SAUDI’S PAYING FOR THIS? THERE ARE TOO MANY QUESTIONS TO BE ASKED AND I DOUBT IF EITHER PARTY WOULD BE ABLE TO COME UP WITH ANSWERS TO SATISFY THE ORDINARY PERSON. I THINK IT’S A BIT RICH CONSIDERING THAT CHRISTIANS AND JEWS COULD NOT BE INVOLVED IN DIALOGUE WITHIN SAUDI LAND.
IF THE MUSLIM LEADERS TRULY WANTED PEACE THEN THEY WOULD START BY PROSECUTING THOSE WHO PERSECUTE THE CHRISTIANS AND JEWS OF THIS WORLD. UNTIL THEN I WILL NEVER BELIEVE A WORD THEY SAY. EQUALLY SO FOR THE WEA AND WCC.
THIS IS ANOTHER REASON WHY I WILL NOT BELONG TO ANY DENOMINATION. THEY ARE ALL BECOMING AN ABOMINATION FOR MY EYES.
MANY FALSE MESSIAHS AND LEADERS WILL COME TO BLIND THE PEOPLE FROM THE TRUTH, AND MANY PEOPLE WILL BE BLINDED BY THEM.

25 Oct 2008
THIS FOLLOWING ARTICLE FROM CAMPUS WATCH IS RIGHT ON THE TRUTH AS FAR AS THE ABOVE ARTICLE IS CONCERNED.
Proselytizing Islam at Penn
by Cinnamon Stillwell
Fri, 24 Oct 2008 at 2:44 PM

http://www.campus-watch.org/blog/2008/10/proselytizing-islam-at-penn.html Islam Awareness Week 2008 is underway at the University of Pennsylvania. Organized by the Muslim Students Association, Islam Awareness Week also has academic sponsors, including the university's Middle East Center.
While "awareness" may be a laudable goal, blatant proselytizing is another matter entirely. Yet today's event, "State and Need for Dawah in the West," promises just that. Here is the description (received by e-mail; emphasis added):
Harvard Chaplain and well-studied individual of Islam, Taha Abdul-Basser will deliver the Friday sermon on the lack of Dawah (invitation) on the part of Muslims in North America, not only to convey a message of submission to God alone but also to wash away misconceptions some share about Islam. Seven years after 9/11, Taha Abdul-Basser will elucidate on the importance of such education, sharing important Prophetic narratives and other occurrences in Islamic tradition that epitomize the magnitude of this act. We expect many non-Muslims to observe our Jummah outside, visually understanding the importance of this holy day.
THIS NEXT PARAGRAPH IS ALL WHAT PEOPLE NEED TO LEARN ABOUT.
Clearly, the "need for Dawah in the West" is being met at the University of Pennsylvania. Unfortunately, it's coming courtesy of the Muslim Students Association, an organization tainted by Saudi/Wahhabi funding, ties to the Muslim Brotherhood, and a history of inviting radical and anti-Semitic speakers to its events.
THIS IS PART OF THE WORLD-WIDE PLAN THAT HAS BEEN IN PLACE FOR QUITE AWHILE NOW AND THEY HAVE PLANS TO KEEP IT GOING UNTIL THEY HAVE CONQUERED THE WORLD AND HAS IT UNDER TOTAL ISLAMIC RULE.
Moreover, why would the Middle East Center cosponsor such an event given its overtly religious nature? It amounts to the Middle East Center doing its own version of Dawah. Would the same Center, or any academic department, co-sponsor an event involving evangelical Christian proselytizing? I very much doubt it. But when it comes to Islam, propriety goes out the window.
NO, THEY WOULD NOT BECAUSE IT MIGHT INSULT THE SENSITIVITIES OF THE MUSLIM MIND-SET.

Time short for murderous Bali Bombers

Bali bombers to be executed within weeks 20:07 AEST Fri Oct 24 20083 hours 34 minutes ago.

Amrozi and Ali Ghufron will die next month. so far Three Islamic militants will be shot dead on their prison island early next month for their roles in the 2002 Bali bombings.

The bombers will be put to death in "early November" on Nusakambangan Island, off Central Java, where their high-security jail is located, a spokesman for Indonesia's Attorney General's office says.

He also indicated that the Attorney General did not believe there were valid grounds for any further legal appeals by Amrozi, his brother Mukhlas and Imam Samudra.

"Indonesia's Attorney General is stating that the legal efforts in the terrorism criminal case, on behalf of the defendant Amrozi ... and his friends, has been final," spokesman Jasman Pandjaitan said.

"The plan for the death executions ... will be implemented in early November 2008."

He added: "Based on the letter from the minister of law and human rights ... the execution for the death convicted, Imam Samudra and his friends, will be located in Nusakambangan, Cilacap District, by the execution team."

The three men were sentenced to die for playing lead roles in the 2002 Bali nightclub bombings, which killed 202 people including 88 Australians.

They claim they are ready to die, but that others will take revenge if their executions are carried out. (I THOUGHT THEIR CRONIES WOULD BE CELEBRATING THEIR MARTYRDOM. AND THE FAMILIES COULD GO TO THEIR GRAVE-SHRINES AND DO THEIR ULULATING THERE.)

Meanwhile, their defence lawyers continue to plan ways to stall the executions.

On Thursday, defence lawyer Achmad Kholid said a new appeal against the death sentences would be lodged by the bombers' families, possibly as soon as next week.

But that now seems like a futile exercise, given the position of the Attorney General that legal efforts in the case are "final".

Earlier this week, Indonesia's Constitutional Court rejected a side challenge by the bombers, who claimed that death by firing squad was unconstitutional and amounted to torture.

They said it was cruel and inhumane because they may not die immediately.
( THEY WILL DIE A LOT QUICKER THAN THE VICTIMS OF THE BOMBINGS DID.)

But the court reaffirmed the method of execution used in Indonesia, saying no execution method could be guaranteed to be pain-free.

(MAYBE THEY COULD BE GIVEN A PANADOL BEFORE HAND.)

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=653043



CAN'T COME TOO SOON FOR MY LIKING.....

I certainly hope there is going to be some type of independent witnesses to this...Maybe some Ambassadors from a couple of different countries that are NOT islamic, will do.

I could not stand thinking that are still part of this world.